George Zimmerman Still Free, and Still Holds onto a gun!

08/02/2013 — 6 Comments

My stomach has hurt for days and I’ve come to realize that I’m upset about the amount of injustice in the world.  Most prevalent in my mind is George Zimmerman’s ability to ride around frees still with gun in hand.  Even when he’s stopped by police for speeding, he’s proud to let the officer know that he has a gun.  He’s only told to put it in his glove compartment and is given a warning for his speeding.  Zimmerman is seemingly disappointed when the officer doesn’t recognize him from TV. For more on this story click here: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57596401-504083/george-zimmerman-armed-when-stopped-for-speeding-in-texas-report-says/?tag=nl.e875&s_cid=e875&ttag=e875&ftag=TRE497675b

It bothers me that Edwin Alemany’s new lawyer, Geoffrey Nathan, is so concerned about the “deplorable” conditions that his client is enduring while imprisoned. I would think that he would be more focused on defending his client.  Accommodations are the same for all those in prison. There are no special privileges for prisoners.  They all receive the same treatment. Cells are just hot due to poor ventilation because they can’t allow for a lot of windows.  They are in prison after all.  The prison has to worry about the safety of the prisoners as well as any visitors and the staff. I feel that Nathan’s guilt should be placed elsewhere.  If it were me, I would be more concerned about the families and victims that his client has forever changed the lives of.  Amy Lord wasn’t even Alemany’s first victim that week.  On Tuesday, July 23rd and Wednesday July 24th Alemany assaulted two young woman in South Boston, stabbing one and physically assaulting the other.  Fortunately, both woman escaped with their lives. Alemany then killed Amy Lord on Friday, July 26th, but not before making her withdraw money from various ATM machines. When he had everything he needed from her, he then assaulted her and dispose of her body. Someone that cold-hearted and has a wrap sheet with a listing of 30 crimes, doesn’t get much sympathy from me.

I’ve had more violence than I can stomach for a while!

6 responses to George Zimmerman Still Free, and Still Holds onto a gun!

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    “Even when [Zimmerman] is stopped by police for speeding, he’s proud to let the officer know that he has a gun.”

    In Texas, where this incident happened, he is required by law to inform the officer than he has a concealed handgun in his car. That is why he told him. It’s the law.

    “He’s only told to put it in his glove compartment and is given a warning for his speeding.”

    In Texas it is legal to have a concealed handgun in your care while traveling. You don’t require a concealed carry permit for that. Unless the officer wanted to give him a speeding ticket there was nothing else the officer could do legally.

    “Someone that cold-hearted Edwin Alemany] and has a wrap sheet with a listing of 30 crimes, doesn’t get much sympathy from me.”

    Agree with you on that!

    “I’ve had more violence than I can stomach for a while!”

    People who attack and hurt other people suck. That is why I have a concealed carry permit in Texas and carry a loaded hangdun more often than not. For me a handgun is designed to save lives (mine, and my loved ones) and not to kill or commit unnecessary violence. But somtimes violence in defence of good, and good people is justified.

    Regards,

    lwk
    free2beinamerica2.wordpress.com

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      I understand that people are allowed to carry a gun. I think the same is true everywhere that you have to inform the police if you are carrying and the gun is supposed to be safely stored while driving and not on your person. My issue is that although he was found innocent, we all know that he came into the situation with a gun intending on killing the person he met up with. He did that and life continued on as usual as if it was just another day. To make matters worse, because he fears more now for his safety, he warned that he would be more likely to do the same thing all over again. What if the next time, it’s someone you know, or if they are even younger than before. If you are going around as scared as he was and still is, then you should change your address.

      Thanks for your response free2beinamerica2.

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    “I understand that people are allowed to carry a gun.”

    Actually, in a lot of other states it would be illegal to have a loaded and concealed handgun in your car while travelling. In Texas that is now legal but used to not be. In a lot of places you would have to have your gun unloaded and the ammunition stored separately. Often there are a “patchwork” of different laws from state to state (or city to city) that make transporting a firearm of any kind legally hazardous.

    “…we all know that [Zimmerman] came into the situation with a gun intending on killing the person he met up with.”

    Personally I think that is a morally hazardous assumption to make about another person who we all mostly know from media coverage. The moral culpability of the media in editing and splicing various audio and video tapes to present a false image in this case is some the worst I have ever seen. Not to mention how they manipulated images of the principal characters (using a picture of Trayvon when he was 14 years old and a 3 year old picture of Zimmerman that is the most menancing they could find).

    I don’t know if Zimmerman had any real responsibility in creating or escalating the situation. There are all sorts of theories but just about all of them come short in terms of evidence to back them up. The jury got more evidence than we ever saw and they found Zimmerman not guilty. “Not guilty” doesn’t mean “innocent.” It just means the jury had reasonable doubt based on the evidence.

    As a person who seriously has to worry about the consequences of legally carrying a handgun in public I have given a lot of thought to the issues here. One really basic principle that I think is pretty much the same in all localities is that if you do use a gun in self defense you better not have _any_ part in starting or escalating the situation. You can’t insult someone (“fighting words” in Texas) and then claim self defense if they then attack you. I do believe that if there had been any real evidence of Zimmerman doing that his defense would have failed and he would have been found guilty of something.

    Following someone in public at a distance so you don’t lose sight of them and can point them out to the police when the arrive is not a crime or a case of “being a party to” starting a fight. Is that what Zimmerman did, or did he follow Trayvon closely and perhaps use words or actions to intimidate him? Whatever we believe doesn’t change the fact the jury didn’t find credible evidence he did. From some interviews with the jurors later it is clear some would have liked to have found something to convict Zimmerman of.

    As a general principle we believe that it is better to let a guilty person go free than jail an innocent person without evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. I also think that the media almost universally failed to report evidence about Trayvon that might have put him in a much more negative light.

    The bottom line for me though is that I am satisfied that the jury did the right thing. Again, that doesn’t mean that I think Zimmerman is proven innocent. I just think the system worked – eventually – the way it is supposed to. I have been on a jury trying a serious case (missed being homicide, but just barely) and I know how difficult it is.

    lwk
    free2beinamerica2.wordpress.com

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      It’s no less harmless to kill an unarmed much younger man out for a jog who was living in the same complex as his killer. He did not have a gun on him. I’m sorry, but I don’t like guns. I never have. I wouldn’t even let my kids have water guns when they were younger it took me quite some time before allowing my second round of kids use them. I believe that no good can come out of the use of guns. I understand police having to use them against violent criminals. But George Zimmerman was not a police officer and knew nothing of the young man that he killed. Just because Zimmerman survived doesn’t make him innocent. I just think about how easily that could have been my very own son who is mixed, (Irish, French Canadian, Finish, Native American, and African American). He always wears a hoody when he jogs in the cooler weather. I always worry about him even though we live in a “safe” neighborhood where many people would live to live. It doesn’t matter who you are or what your skin is when someone is scared and they are carrying a gun.

      I understand your point of view, but I’ve been mugged at least three times when I was in my 20’s. I was attending college in an unsafe neighborhood. After each time it happened, I never armed myself with anything. I just prayed for help from the good lord and obviously I got it.

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        I actually appreciate some of what you say. Let me please make one last reply. My intent here is not to refute what you believe, or to prove a point, but only to try to explain why some people see things differently.

        You wrote:

        “It’s no less harmless to kill an unarmed much younger man out for a jog…”

        During this whole drawn out public discussion of the Zimmerman case there seemed to largely be pro-Trayvon people, and pro-Zimmerman people. Despite frequent accusations, I don’t think the latter were necessarily motivated by racism.

        In the beginning I was largely pro-Zimmerman. I have seen people lynched in the media before while important facts were dismissed because the story could be fit to a narrative the media likes. “If it bleeds, it leads” is an old saying in the news, and also an old preference in the media for a “man bites dog” story.” At the same time there was a story of a black man killing a young white kid in circumstances not totally unsimilar to the Zimmerman case (was also found not guilty). But that was not “news” because the man was black and a largely white jury found him not guilty – no hint of racism to tout on the evening news.

        Probably the first time I really saw it a little differently was when near the end of the trial the news media – think it was MSNBC – published a photo of Trayon’s corpse as taken on the scene. I could see my younger son in the same position if things had went differently.

        Change the color of the skin and that kid could have been my son at 17. He got into trouble, probably experimented with drugs and skirted dangerously close to becoming a person of interest to the police. I was lucky. He reformed after high school, saw what he had been doing was not good, and is currently a U.S. Marine (of whom I am very proud).

        Now speaking of an “unamred younger man,” at 17 my son was about the same weight (170 lbs) as Trayon. He was very, very physcially fit. Fortunately he was not a bully, but I know for a fact he kicked the crap out of some bigger kids – in self defense he told me. He was no shrinking violet.

        Now at that age if he was close enough to hit you and you gave him reason to then you could be in trouble whether you had a gun in your pocket or not. He is extrordinarily fast and could knock a much larger person down with one blow, and maybe even knock them out.

        I think the same thing was probably true with Trayvon. In the trial the judge allowed Trayon’s phone to be examined by the lawyers, but then ruled the jury couldn’t see it. She said something to the effect that maybe someone else wrote those text messages on his phone.

        “Those text messages” were messages about fighting. Apparently he was into Mixed Martial Arts fighting and being involved in street fights a lot. He bragged about some guy he had fought and whom he intended to fight again because the first time the guy “did not bleed enough.”

        So the picture I get of Trayvon is not a lot unlike my son in one respect, except my son was not out looking for fights. I think either one would be very dangerous at close range. They didn’t need a gun. Their bodies were weapons.

        Guns are good for shooting someone at a distance. We know Zimmerman didn’t do that. The medical examiner testified it was so close there were burn marks and corroborated the angle was correct for Zimmerman lying on his back with Trayvon on top of him.

        But if you let someone get their hands on you then the value of gun goes down a lot, and may be a huge liability unless you are very, very lucky. I personally think Zimmerman was very lucky that night with Trayvon on top of him beating him (a witness testifed to that).

        Let me summarize my point. Having a gun is no good defense at very close range against a very fast and physically fit – and aggressive – young man intent of hurting you. If you surive that it is luck, nothing else. The law does not require that two people in a fight be equally armed and recognizes that people without guns in some circumstances are dangerous enough for a person to use deadly force against them.

        It is possible that Zimmerman has moral (and undiscovered legal) culpability in instigating this incident. That I don’t think we will ever know. But based on actual evidence there should be little doubt that Trayvon did attack Zimmerman and Trayvon was no defenseless child when he did. Again, maybe Zimmerman in some ways helped instigate that, but we will never know.

        “I understand police having to use them against violent criminals.”

        Just about all police carry a handgun for self defense. The thing that has largely changed in my lifetime (over 6 decades now) is the “Shall Issue” concealed carry movement where in many states now non-police can get a permit or license to carry a concealed handgun for self defense. Often people will have just as much need for self defense as a policeman.

        From studies and other things I have read on the subject people who get these licenses are pretty responsible. You will always have examples of people who do stupid things and that largely can’t be helped. For example, sometimes people with these permits will be arrested for firearms violations, but from what I have read that doesn’t on average happen any more often than sworn police officers getting arrested for firearms violations. That is a pretty good record.

        When the concealed carry movement started, although a lifelong gun owner, I thought the critics might be right and if you let a lot of people carry guns around there would be a lot of bad incidents, that “blood would run in the streets” as people had road rage, or got into stupid arguments. I have to admit that initially I was a little surprised when it didn’t happen.

        Now I have a permit myself and quite honestly carrying a gun around is not quite the thrill I might have vicariously thought it would be. Just the opposite really. As a person who has seen a lot of life, violence, and participated in one major war, I have some real idea of what a gun can do to another human being.

        I can appreciate some people just not liking guns. What they can do can be very bad indeed. But rationally I know they can be used by good people for good ends. For some reason the media seem to be totally focused on the bad, and routinely fail to report the good.

        I had a cousin, a young man, who shot and killed another man who broke into his house with obvious intentions of homicide (my cousin was dating this man’s ex-girlfriend). He saved his life and his girlfriend’s life. But not long after he took his own life. He could not live with what he had done.

        The fact is, and many studies show this (just the absolute numbers differ), that Americans use firearms for self defense a lot. Years ago critics said that obviously guns are not used for self defense very much because the number of justified homicides were so low.

        But then people looked closer and found that in the vast majority of self defense situations people never fire a gun. Basically they threaten an aggressor with them and that person leaves them alone. That is how it almost always plays out. That explains why so few – relatively – justifiable homicides.

        There is a good book I would recommend. It is called “On Killing” by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman. He found that the majority of human beings cannot deliberately kill another person. Or if they do in some circumstance they most likely will suffer the rest of their life because of it. Only a few people in the human race can kill with full intent and with out any regret or serious psychological repercussions.

        By the time my war came around the military was learning techniques to overcome that by training to short circuit the higher consciousness. Hence the historic amount of “PTSD” observed since then. The “Kill Rate” went up dramatically with the Vietnam War (and so did the suffering of those who engaged in killing).

        Interesting book. It seems that the real killers in society are either sociopaths, or very successful people who tend to do very well in business or politics. True story – read the book. 🙂

        Anyway, I hope this is not too long, and I really hope you don’t find it as some diatribe against your beliefs. It wasn’t meant to be.

        Regards,

        lwk
        free2beinamerica2.wordpress.com

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        I appreciate all that you have said. I take I thing personal. I try to remain rational and realistic at all times.

        I think in our own way, each and everyone one of us could be a force to be reckoned with should the need arise. No matter what martial arts move Trayvon might have used, he still couldn’t win against a gun and that is obvious. My issue was, the situation should never occurred in the first place. I don’t believe that Trayvon went walking up to Zimmerman and said “hey, can I kick your but, I’m I the mood for a fight.” That is what you call looking for a fight. Trayvon might have responded defensively which put Zimmerman on the defensive, but that in of itself does not justify now this situation turned out.

        We are all going to have our opinions about this matter, and we can’t and shouldn’t really try to change the minds of people as it wouldn’t be natural to force that change. The concern is that people need to remember that violence begets violence.

        Thank you for your reply!

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